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welcome back to calling all beings i'm

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your host dj and our musical director

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money nathan to my

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right what's going on i mean i i finally

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got around to getting that put together

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and i want to apologize to charlotte

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thunderbird because it took me forever

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to just do that but the music is so cool

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and i had a great time putting it

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together i know kevin's been working on

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some stuff too so we'll have all kinds

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of fun things to debut

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in the future with that really grateful

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to have her support and putting that

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little jingle together for us so welcome

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to the new cab

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yeah

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my brother money nathan putting it now

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work

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all right i mean

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that is my co-conspirator in this

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venture uh to make you uh make you all

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smile uh that's what we endeavor to do

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in short uh and let us uh introduce to

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uh my left over here um the lovely the

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talented

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the host of deb's data dojo

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what just happened somebody listen deb

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are you there oh i'm here i'm sorry i'm

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so excited

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she wanted to hear it twice you're so

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okay

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the host of deb's data dojo say hello to

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deb

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hi everybody what's up what's going on

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dude yeah

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we're talking about science today

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yes can i get it amen and just below

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that somebody who loves him some old

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stuff and he also loves them some new

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stuff he's a musician he's a martial

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artist damn sexy beast actually uh

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please put your hands together for kevin

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wow

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that was strong good all right and the

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newest member of calling all beings

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representing the experiencer nation baby

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she's not nationwide she's worldwide put

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your hands together

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for stephanie

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dj best intros ever thank you guys

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what's up glad to be on board yeah she's

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mad she's nationwide like zz top baby

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all right

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our next two guests

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the actually they're two of the stars of

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the film uh a tear in the sky

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by uh caroline uh corey

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and uh she was we were put on to these

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two gentlemen by miss chrissy newton who

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was also in the movie also part of

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debrief media and her assistant there

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dylan in her media venture so we are

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very very excited to welcome the

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intelligently cool

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and the coolly intelligent

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david altman and dave mason put their

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hands together

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amen

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what is going on boys

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how's it going thanks for having us yeah

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thanks for having us we're having a good

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it is it is a pleasure to have you guys

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one of your brothers is doing some

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scientific business i was looking over

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uh your stuff uh last night checking out

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your equipment super impressed have some

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questions about that i'm a little bit of

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a geek for certain types of collection

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systems myself

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even though i play a jokester in here uh

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and uh with with david uh david altman i

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want to find out a little bit about this

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brother so if you would start with you

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mr david and as you so coolly suggested

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when we were backstage and i said

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something idiotic like tell us about

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yourself now you said maybe we should

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wait till the show starts i'm like wow

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you know what we're going to give him a

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percentage of the cab at least we're

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going to talk about it we'll talk about

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it yeah so go ahead what's up man

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how you doing guys sir

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so um i guess i'll tell you how i got

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into this and what i do besides this

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i started looking into the stuff at a

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mom and i went to go live with my

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grandmother and she worked at the

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so after school i would get dropped off

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at the library and to spend my days in

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the science fiction and paranormal

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sections just reading whatever i could

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years later i mean i always kind of

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looked into it personally

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circumstances i ended up working in

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television and i started working mainly

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on all of the different ufo shows

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so i do um consultant work for different

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series and documentaries and i also do

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development which is creating new tv

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so essentially you were able to get into

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this on the creative side and bring it

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together but yeah so when i when i first

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about hollywood i just wanted to do it

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with you know this expedition with my

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turned out to be to be a movie and so i

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was able to use you know both my

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into you know uap and my knowledge of

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structure for production into one into

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it's great it takes so many types uh uh

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that that make this community of ours

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that we're coming at it from so many

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different angles what's and and this is

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why these these conversations with other

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uh people that are like us we're sort of

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part of this larger family now we can

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see how you fit in on that creative side

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to create something that people can can

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watch and consume and go huh

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wow uh that really is happening out

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you know that kind of thing so nathan

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talk to uh talk to mr uh mason yeah well

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first of all i have a quick question for

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for mr altman uh so so david uh

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i i've always heard from people who've

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gotten into entertainment you know who

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who did it for their passion and

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everything that it had its way of kind

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of dampening that passion and for you

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having done so many ufo shows and and

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kind of having that really interest to

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begin with has it changed that passion

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or has it only kind of further no no way

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man it's like i love it all i do 24 7 is

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is my own research what what's really

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not in the movie um it didn't uh

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really fit in was i did a lot of

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nothing but catalina island in the area

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people at newspapers fishermen

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people that that run the whale watches

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you know it's something i also did um i

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so i mean it just like worked out

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use for work pretty much

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yeah that's really great thanks for

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telling us about that because i think

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you're right the show the movie doesn't

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necessarily give you that context but

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that helps a ton so you did a lot of

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research looked into the history

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and i guess like you probably picked

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those sites after looking all at all

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those different places where you could

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put up equipment that was stuff that you

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right right well actually the the um

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where we were going to set up i think

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that was more up to caroline and kevin

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day and probably mason

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um i don't know much about what went on

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at the other location i was on catalina

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island with michael hall it was just me

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michael hall and our camera guy grant

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so the only way i really had

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communication with them was by by phone

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i saw what happened on laguna when

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everybody else did when the movie came

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out i mean i saw the data as we were

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going over it when it you know when we

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nice very cool

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well i love the movie and we're really

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excited to talk with you guys uh you

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know the science is such a big part of

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this story and particularly right now i

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think that the public is hungry for

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not just sort of sort of the sensational

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stories although we like those two and

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so it's just exciting to see i was

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geeking out during this film people who

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have come at this topic with a passion

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and an interest uh to try to get some

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real data and and hopefully push this

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science forward so really thank you for

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your contribution to that and and mason

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i know we're going to go back and forth

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kind of bounce around uh dj do you want

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to kind of go through the panel

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uh i do yeah i just have one just at the

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outset uh i just have one question for

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uh dave mason then we'll pass it over to

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uh debs or kevin whoever's going next um

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i i saw your array of just at the outset

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the flare cameras i i i want to say you

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said you had six

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eight yeah we actually well we had one

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handheld and so that was not hooked up

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to any recorder and then we had eight

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other uh clear cameras that were uh set

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did it um are they looking in different

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spectrums and that's why you had the

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eight or were they all work uh seeing in

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the exact same spectrum but you just

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were looking it was a coverage issue it

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was more of a coverage issue and it also

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related to uh temperature issue because

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if you angle the cameras at different

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portions of the sky you're going to have

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different background temperatures so

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there is some spectral shift but it was

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more of a coverage

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trying to make sure that we weren't

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going to miss anything and we had the

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cameras orientated from the rooftop uh

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facing toward the west uh torch over

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catalina island where we were up at it

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at different angles and we notated the

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angles at which camera was aimed and

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then even of course one camera aimed at

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the um the terminator of the ocean so

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that we would just see if anything was

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happening in that region so we wanted to

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cover a lot of ground and we ran

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you know the all cameras 24 7

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running them into digital recorders uh

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and studio quality recorders and this

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stuff you know was a lot of data storage

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at the rate that we were recording

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and can you just tell us before we uh

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pass it over to deb deb as our

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researcher on the show uh and

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ufo connector if you go to her website

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you're gonna find an amazing dearth of

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stuff that she works on for hours and

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and just keeps adding documents and

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links uh every week but could you tell

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us a little bit about your um about

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yourself please just so the audience

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knows uh of of your field of endeavor

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coming into this

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well it began at a very young age um

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like dave altman i was checking out

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books at the library of course the

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internet didn't exist at the time

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and it was kind of a taboo subject if

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you were reading these ufo books you

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know you didn't want to show this to

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your friends because they thought you

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were crazy

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and a couple of things that i notated

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that was happening in in the phenomenon

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that was reported was that many pilots

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were reporting that their onboard

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compasses were going crazy they air you

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know the

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ship's navigational compasses also

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spinning wildly

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and i came up with a device to uh to

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detect that i built a ufo detector at

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age 13 which comprised of a compass

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aimed at magnetic north with a photo

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transistor and an led i remember using

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parts from a broken television set and i

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built this thing on a piece of plywood

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and it worked so whenever the compass

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would deviate from magnetic north it

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would send up an alarm

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and then the other uh feature that i

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noticed about the reports was that

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many were indicating these objects were

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radiating light that seemed to fluctuate

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and at that age at a young age i'm

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thinking well they don't need to see

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where they're going with light i mean

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they

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must be very advanced

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it's not likely a byproduct of their

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their propulsion systems so the

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presumption is that light must have some

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sort of communication or content within

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it

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and

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so i came up with these photo binoculars

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and that was actually in 1981 when i i

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built my first pair showed it to my

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friends and family and with those banana

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and i've got a i've got them right here

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so you can see

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there's the uh

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that's the step gain control volume

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control

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on this side and then there's a gain

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control and then what's also built into

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these binoculars is a defocused laser

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and what this does is it

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it's defocused so you don't want to

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blind pilots or anything so when it by

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the time it gets into distance no one's

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going to see it but this laser is

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modulated by the light that's received

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within it so that if there's something

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received and of course whatever is

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transmitted from something

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extraterrestrial we're not going to

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understand it it's going to be gibberish

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right i can at least relay it back and

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then that'll be delayed about uh 20

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microseconds just through the circuitry

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and it's it's at least an attempt to

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communicate so

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we're trying to relay back what you just

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sent us in a different form you know

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maybe

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that is what

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what the binoculars do they also can be

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plugged into a loudspeaker or recording

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device or headphones i usually use them

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with headphones

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um and then

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that in that device i've also got

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this is a more recent invention from

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about

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three three years ago

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it's a pair of night vision goggles that

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do

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using a different principle so it's not

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not the same design but this has a

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defocus laser that has a ultraviolet

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laser and then i can blend ultraviolet

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and red and then red so it's a

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continuous variable to it

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and then

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this also takes modulated light and

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converts it into sound

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um i did post a demo video of the

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binoculars and this night vision device

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that that does that

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and this can also be connected to

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loudspeaker or recorder device or

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anything so just just some new devices

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that can be used as in our toolbox for

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researching this phenomenon and looking

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at the light spectrum

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we're not looking

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at radio spectrum because in my my

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belief is radio to them is

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yeah

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it's smoke signals and if you look at

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our progression of our technology like

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when nikola tesla invented radio and i

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credit him not the other guy

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absolutely um he um

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he was working within the killerhertz

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range just because those were the tools

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that were available to him but now we

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keep pushing the rf technology faster

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and faster

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um you know and and we're in the

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gigahertz range and and trying to get

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we're trying to break the terahertz

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barrier just in rf technology 500

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gigahertz is kind of where the plateau

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is at the present time but that's not

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even done in

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uh

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commercial products because it's too

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high a frequency

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and when you're using light

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we we are working in a much higher

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frequency so behind me you'll see that

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lightweight transmitter that's uh

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featured in the movie

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one's an infrared spectrum 850 nanometer

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the other one's a full spectrum

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and then the other one as a ultraviolet

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there's some slight ultra slight overlap

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but the object here is to do spread

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spectrum modulation of frequency

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modulation and amplitude modulation of

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content and

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we can do it high frequency i i prefer

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to use music or the sounds of whales

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or to relay back um i i don't believe

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that putting out prime numbers or code

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or anything is going to impress whatever

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it is we're dealing with because

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whatever numbers they're using it it's

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our math looks like arithmetic so

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um

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i i agree i totally agree with what

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you're saying and this was actually

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going to be the crux of my question but

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i i have to pass it over to my co-host

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so i don't get fired and stuff like that

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okay um you know but i i really love

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that and it makes total sense and when i

447
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heard you say that in in the movie that

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it really resonated with me but for the

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time being i got to pass it over to debs

450
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what's up yeah so actually i'm

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fascinated by your night vision goggles

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and what they do um and how you're using

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the light to make sound so one of my

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questions is about those i want to know

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if you're considering

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um

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making an available

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form of those goggles for the public

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because i would love to have something

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like that too how much that would cost

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and what uaps sound like

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i don't don't know what they sound like

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yet i know i know what can converse

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commercial jets sound like and

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satellites and starlight and meteors in

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fact that in this youtube video you

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could hear hear a meteorite amongst that

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stuff

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i don't know exactly what they're going

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to sound like it's probably not going to

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make a sound that we would be expecting

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um

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it really was a a big effort to to make

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these things and i've been kicking

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around the idea of making that into a

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production device

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it would be a very costly device for one

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thing just because alone it's gen three

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plus night vision pbs sevens that um

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that that requires so just that alone is

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is very expensive but yeah and the

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process of

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making you know micro miniaturizing the

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circuitry because these things stock

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there's really no room inside them i

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mean there's very little room for you to

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have circuitry so it uh to take

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something that already was refined in

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technology and then refine it more and

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fit components within it that was a real

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challenge as well

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um

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and uh yeah the other device i don't

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have in front of me i have a thermal

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camera that i re-engineered that was

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the most difficult thing to do

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from an engineering standpoint and then

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from the other standpoint of taking

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something that worked perfect as it was

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intended

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and

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didn't just hack it i had to you know

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pull out circuitry put in my own

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circuits make it compatible with the the

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stock circuitry and i i engineered a

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thermal camera that'll take cold

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temperatures or heat or warm

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temperatures and convert that into sound

509
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and that device that device and that's

510
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also on youtube so you can see this and

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this particular device i i was

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experimenting with it outdoors and a

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bird flock flew overhead and i aimed the

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camera and i can hear

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the temperatures of the birds as they

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were flying i could hear the wings being

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because there's variations in in

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temperature i could also hear bugs as

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they flew in front because it would make

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a

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of invention

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uh from just because it was so much

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effort to to do what it does um

524
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but more people are talking about the

525
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night vision light to sound just because

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it it certainly it's cool because you

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can look through it and hear what you're

528
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looking at if only you're more

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productive dave i think you could

530
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actually be successful you know if you

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were putting a little more effort into

532
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the stuff okay i just want to know how

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many warranties you avoided at this

534
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point

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[Laughter]

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we got to get back to altman uh with

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kevin they both you know they both

538
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probably have some pretty nice tattoos

539
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um and uh well actually we know altman

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does because we saw them they were they

541
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were awesome

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so

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uh kev what do you got for all

544
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i mean i just have a question i mean

545
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am i freezing no you're good

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he's back

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is he back wait he's yes he's trying to

548
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go on wonky

549
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okay can you hear me audio is good

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clear uh dave

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so all right i got a question for you um

552
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so this is more of an

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overall umbrella question

554
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so um i mean taking into consideration

555
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you know your mysterious airship waves

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from the 1800s you know you've got your

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which were in new zealand canada the us

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you've got your sky chariots your flying

559
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shields

560
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you know

561
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,400
my point is it always seems to be

562
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:32,240
something that's ahead of us

563
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:34,080
and assuming that our physics and math

564
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:36,000
is universal i mean do you think that

565
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:38,080
maybe the phenomenon is i can't hear

566
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:39,360
potential

567
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:41,840
future you can't hear me okay

568
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:43,360
yeah um

569
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:46,320
let's see if we can get uh david altman

570
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:48,080
out and back

571
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:49,280
and then

572
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,080
okay

573
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:52,559
and then oh wait wait you're back well

574
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:53,760
he's back

575
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:55,760
yeah all of a sudden i could hear

576
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,799
okay cool all right kevin go for it

577
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:00,240
all right i'm just saying assuming that

578
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,960
like our physics or max go to mason go

579
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:05,039
to mason okay mason i'll ask you this

580
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:08,000
question all right so

581
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:09,600
do you think that maybe the phenomenon

582
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:13,200
is is a potential look into the future

583
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,280
of us like if we're on the same path

584
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:17,360
we're using physics we're using math

585
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,240
universal principles you think maybe

586
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:22,320
we're going to end up like this

587
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:25,120
with this kind of tech eventually

588
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:28,000
it is possible uh we can't deny any any

589
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:29,520
possibility because there's so many

590
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:32,559
facets to this mystery that that adds to

591
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,840
it and

592
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:35,679
so whether we are looking at ourselves

593
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:38,000
from the future or a

594
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:40,240
visitor from outer space or or something

595
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:43,120
that's actually coexisted with us for

596
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,480
for eons

597
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:46,960
um yeah that's anyone's guess

598
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:53,590
that's i uh it is uh everything is still

599
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:55,840
on the table till it's off the table

600
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:57,840
money nathan

601
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,320
yeah i just want to know i mean

602
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:02,159
was it it just feels like super lucky

603
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:04,240
that you guys were able to capture stuff

604
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,400
in the short time that you were filming

605
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:08,880
and that makes me think that maybe it

606
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:10,400
wasn't luck and you kind of alluded to

607
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:12,880
this before we got onto the show

608
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,480
in your estimation what did your

609
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:17,039
intuition sort of say how how often is

610
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:18,960
this stuff happening in in the sky i

611
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:22,240
think it's just all the time everywhere

612
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:24,159
it's for the most part it is uh

613
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:26,320
everywhere um you know i've started with

614
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:28,640
my recording from my own backyard and it

615
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,520
was purely by accident and uh so i'll

616
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:33,440
just give you this synopsis of that it

617
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:36,559
was in may 3rd 2005

618
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,600
i took home one of the my company's uh

619
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:42,000
thermal cameras and this was a 70

620
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:44,000
thousand dollar thermal camera had a

621
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:45,039
built-in

622
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:48,240
cryogenically cooled imager and i took

623
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,520
it home

624
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:51,279
thinking i might be able to apply it in

625
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,320
longwave infrared astrophotography and

626
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,240
trying to do something new i was

627
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:57,919
doubtful it would work and found that

628
00:24:02,549 --> 00:24:00,320
there really wasn't enough transfer from

629
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:02,559
through the earth's atmosphere and so my

630
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:04,320
next step was well this would be cool to

631
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,400
use this camera to record commercial

632
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,400
jets flying overhead and that's all i

633
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,880
was thinking i wasn't thinking ufos

634
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:12,960
and just within minutes of using this

635
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,360
camera and this was on a an afternoon

636
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:17,520
where the sun was just setting

637
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:20,320
and the camera detected two very cold

638
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,600
objects that were very large at about a

639
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:25,200
five degrees apparent field of view

640
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,799
which is equivalent to

641
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,799
putting your arm your arm out at full

642
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,559
length and then spreading your hands and

643
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:32,480
i looked straight up thermal camera

644
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:34,080
indicated they were in the field of view

645
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,679
but i couldn't see them and i had better

646
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:37,440
than 20 20 vision

647
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,200
and so i tracked this with the camera i

648
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:41,600
recorded them and when i went back to

649
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,080
look at the data i found that they were

650
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:46,720
measured as 30 fahrenheit according to

651
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:50,000
the camera's calibrated temperature span

652
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:51,919
and so what altitude

653
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:53,919
i don't know exactly but they were minus

654
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,360
30 fahrenheit so if i was to get the uh

655
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:59,440
standard

656
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,840
yeah laptop

657
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:01,919
stuff about what it was at altitude but

658
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:03,520
there's other presumptions because there

659
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:05,200
would be presumption that the objects

660
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:07,760
were black body source versus reflective

661
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:09,279
there's a lot of other factors that go

662
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,799
into thermography

663
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:12,720
and i the fact they made no noise and

664
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:14,799
they moved slow and i couldn't see them

665
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,120
that just captivated me and then

666
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,520
uh next day i got nothing but birds bugs

667
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:21,120
and aircraft and i thought well that's

668
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:22,880
just the way it is it's one of those

669
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:24,640
once in a lifetime things

670
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,480
and a few months later i set the camera

671
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:28,080
up again on a tripod while doing

672
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:30,320
astrophotography and

673
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:31,120
uh

674
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,720
came back to review the videos and there

675
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:34,480
were just some very strange objects that

676
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:37,279
were recorded cylinders the objects that

677
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:40,000
were flying backwards triangles

678
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,520
something that looked like an undulating

679
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:43,440
serpent that measured about minus 70

680
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,640
fahrenheit

681
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,480
and and i'm caught what is this stuff

682
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:48,320
this doesn't make any sense they're not

683
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:49,600
bugs they're they're not the

684
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,039
conventional things

685
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,679
and i contacted william puckett of ufos

686
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:55,679
and w and he came to my house and got to

687
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:57,760
see my setup and witnessed these objects

688
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:59,840
were appearing in the camera and at the

689
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:00,720
time

690
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:03,440
i was contracting in my company we were

691
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:05,039
contracting with a lot of different

692
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:06,799
entities and i thought if i come out and

693
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:09,279
talk about ufos i could lose those

694
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,200
contracts so i just kind of stayed quiet

695
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:13,200
i supplied william bucket a number of my

696
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,320
videos but i wanted to remain anonymous

697
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,880
but over the years of recording

698
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:20,880
i found that there were variations of

699
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:24,640
the activity because 2006 had less

700
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,240
activity i was getting more of the

701
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,240
conventional stuff and then there was a

702
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,000
few years where i got nothing i mean i

703
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,159
set up my thermal cameras

704
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:34,559
recorded came back reviewed or if i walk

705
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:36,159
monitored live

706
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:38,000
and i would just get the birds bugs and

707
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:40,320
aircraft and and so it was like there

708
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:43,279
was some hits and misses on it and and

709
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,320
then 2016 i came back very active with

710
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,000
the thermal cameras and found that i was

711
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:50,240
late to the party there were a lot of

712
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,760
strange things going on in the sky

713
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,760
including objects that were behind

714
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,440
commercial aircraft and in front of a

715
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:56,880
commercial aircraft and what

716
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:58,559
differentiated them was that their

717
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,640
relative temperature to the aircraft

718
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:02,240
were much colder

719
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:05,039
uh often in you know minus 30 minus 80

720
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:08,240
fahrenheit range some crazy temperatures

721
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:09,120
um

722
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,400
so

723
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,480
as far as the phenomenon goes

724
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:14,320
i know it's worldwide i i don't think it

725
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:16,159
really matters i think you just have to

726
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:18,399
have clear skies and and maybe a

727
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:22,000
combination of being near water lakes

728
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:23,200
mountains

729
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,320
uh oceans there's some things that seem

730
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,960
to correlate to the uh the sightings as

731
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:30,799
well as being near airports because i

732
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:32,720
think they have

733
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:35,360
an interest in our aircraft

734
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:37,039
and just for everybody's reference

735
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:39,679
standard temperature at 20 000 feet

736
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:42,399
would be about minus 12 fahrenheit about

737
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:45,919
minus 24 celsius if on a standard day so

738
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:48,399
that just so if you seen minus 80

739
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:52,950
very cool i gotta tell you about one

740
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:54,559
object and this was with william puckett

741
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:56,320
who's a meteorologist so he would be the

742
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:59,440
one to know and um in one of my videos i

743
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:01,120
had a very cold be

744
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,880
chevron chevron-shaped object that was

745
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:04,240
transiting

746
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,960
and i i presented it to william puckett

747
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:08,640
and i said you know what would be the

748
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,159
temperature and he says well given the

749
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:12,960
back the reading was i think minus 70 or

750
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:15,440
minus 75. he said that would have placed

751
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,919
it about 90 000 feet elevation

752
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:19,760
well then since i knew the camera field

753
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:21,679
of view which was 15 degrees by 20

754
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,679
degrees for this particular camera i

755
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:25,600
could then measure the amount of area

756
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:28,559
the ox the object occupied and then do

757
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:30,559
some trigonometry i did that

758
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,200
the object measured 2200 feet across oh

759
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:35,520
my goodness yeah that's that's crazy a

760
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:39,039
crazy number yeah and and so it doesn't

761
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,799
make sense and then you know people can

762
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:42,720
say oh and thermography we have this

763
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,520
factor of emissivity yeah that's true so

764
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,760
if you have an object that's in the sky

765
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:49,440
and say like a commercial jet it's

766
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:51,039
always going to measure warmer even

767
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:53,440
though it might be up at 35 000 feet and

768
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:55,360
in a cold environment it's going to be

769
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:57,039
reflecting back

770
00:29:02,310 --> 00:28:59,600
the crust of the earth's

771
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,320
soil i mean it the soil will be heat

772
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:04,240
radiating heat and then reflected back

773
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:05,760
from the underside of the aircraft back

774
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,000
to the thermal camera so you will get

775
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,919
higher temperatures yes and then if you

776
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,000
have objects that are flat black that

777
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,919
aren't going to be reflecting

778
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:15,600
uh they're going to be more indicating

779
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,159
their environment so if that's the case

780
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:19,840
then the problem that happens with these

781
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:21,360
strange objects that have been recorded

782
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:25,120
is they must be immense in

783
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:25,440
and scale

784
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:28,000
it throws out the drone theory and all

785
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:29,520
these things that people would like to

786
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:31,120
throw at it

787
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:32,720
and we're going to pass it over to

788
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:35,760
stephanie our experiencer but even just

789
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:37,919
flying through the air that friction

790
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,399
creates heat as well in addition so you

791
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,240
have the sun's heat got the earth heat

792
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:44,880
and the heat created by friction of that

793
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,200
wing form or that fuselage flying

794
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:49,600
through the air creates its own heat but

795
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:52,159
let us turn it over to our uap

796
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:53,600
experiencer

797
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:56,399
stephanie and that's us quite a bit hi

798
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:58,640
um nice to see you both and i just also

799
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:00,000
wanted to mention how cool it was that

800
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,000
you both had your nose in the books at a

801
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:03,840
very young age and you're both now

802
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:06,720
serving as a liaison for information to

803
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:08,559
deliver this information through you

804
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:10,960
know documentaries and film so

805
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:13,360
very very cool and we're both dave

806
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:14,720
and you're right yeah

807
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,360
and that serves as a very uh you know

808
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:19,679
good standard for for kids to follow as

809
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,799
well so

810
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:22,559
great great um

811
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:25,360
but you guys are both uh you know

812
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,799
serving out

813
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,399
you know this almost self-fulfilling

814
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:30,480
prophecy as you were as a kid so very

815
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,200
cool

816
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:34,000
and loved the movie so my question for

817
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,840
you is a little bit more on the

818
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:37,679
emotional side because you know i know

819
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:39,600
you're both nuts and bolts and you're

820
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:43,039
tech and uh you know we all appreciate

821
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,399
all the work that you're putting forth

822
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,640
towards finding out you know answers for

823
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:48,960
what we all want to know and my question

824
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,159
is dave i am mason i know you know that

825
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,320
you have these instruments that are used

826
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,320
for modern monitoring the potential for

827
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:58,640
communication and my question for you

828
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:01,600
both is tech aside how emotionally

829
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:04,960
prepared are you for communication

830
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:07,679
how do you feel about that tech tech

831
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:15,029
you want to take that often

832
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:23,909
now bring it to dave dave david

833
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:26,950
so um one thing is i'm not a hundred

834
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:30,000
percent all nuts and bolts um i do think

835
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:31,840
that there's some other weird stuff

836
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:33,440
going on with these things

837
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:34,399
it's just

838
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,799
be just that i

839
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:40,559
it also could be multiple things you

840
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,559
know um

841
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,559
from from what i've learned my personal

842
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,120
opinion is i think it's something that's

843
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:49,919
always been here and could possibly be

844
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,760
living underwater

845
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:53,360
that's you know that's just my personal

846
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:57,200
opinion um i'm not sold on anything 100

847
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:59,360
until i'm convinced or obviously shown

848
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:00,799
the evidence

849
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:02,799
so right well and it does make sense

850
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:05,440
over by santa catalina island their san

851
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,279
clemente island and i know that there's

852
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:09,120
been some mergeable objects that have

853
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:12,960
been also detected and our military has

854
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:15,519
also had some events happen where we've

855
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,640
had a sub go down and i wonder if that

856
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,720
has any correlation with what's going on

857
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,080
underneath so

858
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,720
uh yeah very questionable suspect for

859
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,320
sure i agree

860
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,399
yeah that whole area catalina island was

861
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:30,799
actually used um by the oss during world

862
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:33,279
war ii which is the precursor to the cia

863
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:35,519
that was their training ground so you

864
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:38,159
know it started back then and then um

865
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:39,760
one of the articles i mentioned earlier

866
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:44,240
that i got um it was from july 7th 1947

867
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:45,679
front page of the catalina island

868
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:48,960
newspaper and it's two um retired airmen

869
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:51,840
spot flying discs and they took pictures

870
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:53,600
and you can find those pictures and that

871
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:55,360
was the same week as roswell same week

872
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:57,200
as kenneth arnold the same week is a

873
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,120
whole bunch of other stuff that happened

874
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:01,360
so i doubt it was i doubt it was

875
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:02,799
different objects i think whatever they

876
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:05,760
saw was the same thing that whole week

877
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:07,600
it does make sense it makes sense if

878
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,240
they're entering the water and moving

879
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,720
without you know this the splash and you

880
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,799
know how how are these crafts

881
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:16,159
going about

882
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:18,720
the atmosphere and into the water

883
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:20,640
there's a connection i do agree with

884
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:21,679
that

885
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,279
object 1942 went down the coast out to

886
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,960
catalina and then out to the ocean and

887
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:30,559
gone

888
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,840
nice

889
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:33,519
that was the drone man it was the

890
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:36,000
chinese

891
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:37,519
anyway

892
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,159
organization i'm wondering if there is

893
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,320
any sort of a quota or limitation on

894
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:46,720
david's since i'm a david and you know i

895
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:48,799
would apply but i'm you know i don't

896
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:51,200
want to do that in in vain if if you

897
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:52,480
guys have already reached a certain

898
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,870
well okay there's no limit i'll apply

899
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:58,399
give me an application

900
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,720
give me the website i'll get my cv just

901
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:02,080
kidding

902
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:05,679
um dave so of all this of all the the

903
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,159
data that that you've gathered um and

904
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:10,480
it's interesting of what uh your your

905
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,119
colleague said over there because ryan

906
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:15,599
graves also could not see with mark one

907
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:16,639
eyeballs

908
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:19,040
that um that gimbal uh that was

909
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:21,040
something that appeared on his sensor

910
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:22,639
but that he couldn't see with mark one

911
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:25,040
eyeball so of the data that you've

912
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,320
collected uh through these uh array of

913
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:30,480
equipment that you guys have what did

914
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:32,960
you find the most compelling that had

915
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:39,270
no it's too uh i'm gonna start we're

916
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:41,040
gonna go we gotta get some altman time

917
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:43,040
in here man

918
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:45,760
so that's easy for me um the object that

919
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:49,679
i filmed um i okay so

920
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:51,200
for the first

921
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:52,960
probably two days when we got on the

922
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,839
island

923
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,679
we went out there unprepared by some

924
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,920
miscommunication and for the first two

925
00:35:01,910 --> 00:35:00,000
days i wasn't able to record any of the

926
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:01,920
night vision that i caught it wasn't

927
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:04,160
until i think the second or third day

928
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:05,599
that we realized that we could record

929
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:07,200
through our iphones

930
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,000
to anything that we saw so the object

931
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,560
the object that i filmed i could not see

932
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:13,920
with the naked eye

933
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:15,920
it was directly in front of me and i can

934
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:18,160
only see it with the night vision

935
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:21,040
so um and i'll say it again i don't know

936
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:23,359
what it was but i know what it wasn't

937
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:25,200
no it wasn't a satellite wasn't a plane

938
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:26,960
wasn't a drone it wasn't any of those

939
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:28,800
things i have no idea i don't know what

940
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:31,119
it was and that's approximately that's

941
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:32,400
what we tried and that's what we

942
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:35,119
triangulated what's that okay

943
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:36,400
what what did you

944
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:40,160
figure that altitude was of that object

945
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,280
you know i

946
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,359
don't even remember offhand i just

947
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:45,920
remember because i was on a roof and i

948
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,079
was looking at the horizon where the

949
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,160
where the ocean kind of meets the sky

950
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,800
and it was right it was like right

951
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:54,960
in that in that halfway spot you know

952
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:58,320
and direct my eyesight so it wasn't high

953
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,599
it wasn't okay

954
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:01,440
interesting very interesting

955
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,880
uh so uh uh dave mason we could just uh

956
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:06,400
ask you that same question because you

957
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:08,960
seem very keen on that one what what was

958
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:11,119
it of what you gathered what what

959
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,320
provided you that oh my god uh moment uh

960
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:16,800
it's a family show after all um

961
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:19,280
as nathan likes to say um

962
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,359
what was it of what you've gathered thus

963
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:24,000
far that that uh was

964
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:27,359
moving for you it was after our

965
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,560
expedition we were reviewing the um

966
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:32,560
the data and this i was reviewing the

967
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,160
flare videos and

968
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,480
this is out very arduous because we have

969
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:38,880
over 600 hours of clear video to

970
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,359
analyze and an object appeared um

971
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,359
that was it was first it was carolyn

972
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:47,760
corey spotted it and in her reviews and

973
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:50,000
then matthew sedagas using his software

974
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:51,839
also found it i actually missed it when

975
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:53,440
i went over that time

976
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:55,760
and it's an object that is it appears to

977
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,400
be a maroon color object in the movie

978
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:00,480
now understand and clear there these are

979
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:02,240
false colors these are just gradients to

980
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,640
help give you visual acuity but the

981
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,200
object materializes over several pixels

982
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:09,359
and then rotates or appears to rotate

983
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:10,880
and then fade out

984
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,000
and what i found very striking about

985
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:16,560
that wasn't the shape of anything else

986
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:19,119
of that it was the fact that the micro

987
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:22,400
bolometer cells decreased in temperature

988
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:25,280
momentarily and then returns to a normal

989
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:27,839
temperature now when you get hot pixels

990
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:30,480
they are in fact a white or or they'll

991
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,119
go dark but they don't just gradiently

992
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:35,280
go in and out i've never seen that

993
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:37,520
happen it's not impossible it's highly

994
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,160
improbable but the most improbable part

995
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:42,720
is the fact that it got colder if it was

996
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:44,800
bombarded by say

997
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:46,960
radiation and say a big cosmic ray

998
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:48,079
struck it

999
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:49,839
well that would raise the temperature of

1000
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:52,240
the micro bolometer cell and then cause

1001
00:38:31,670 --> 00:37:53,040
a

1002
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,680
much longer

1003
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:33,520
where our visual is

1004
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,280
like 350 380 to about 750 give or take

1005
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:39,520
50 nanometers you know there's people

1006
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:40,960
who see differently

1007
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:43,280
our night vision technology whether

1008
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:45,200
whether it's your home security system

1009
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:47,920
or gen 3 is going to go down to about

1010
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,000
a thousand nanometers maybe 1100

1011
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,640
nanometers and then here we're imaging

1012
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:55,200
wavelengths well past any of that

1013
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:56,320
equipment

1014
00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:58,240
and it could be that these objects are

1015
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:59,920
actually only emitting those particular

1016
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,839
wavelengths which also corresponds to

1017
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:03,440
temperature

1018
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:05,839
and it might be cloaking um it could be

1019
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,599
that they're low mass i mean you could

1020
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:09,520
throw a lot of different theories behind

1021
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,240
it yep it's interesting i gotta pass it

1022
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:14,640
over to debs my friend

1023
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:16,880
hello this is sort of a question for

1024
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,160
both of you

1025
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:20,640
there was a very significant conference

1026
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:23,680
this weekend with seu and i am aware

1027
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:26,960
that uapx was talking about findings

1028
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,320
related to the film and i was just

1029
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:31,200
wondering if you could maybe tell us

1030
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,720
something that may have come out at the

1031
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:35,200
conference about the data

1032
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:36,880
um i haven't been copied on that yet

1033
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,440
since i'm not in attendance uh matthew

1034
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:41,280
sadaga said as soon as he's got the

1035
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:44,000
video he's going to copy me on that i

1036
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:46,160
know that they're covering much of what

1037
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:48,079
i uh had

1038
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:50,320
uncovered in this expedition

1039
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,880
and so they i know that they are always

1040
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:54,720
cautious about everything because you

1041
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,880
never want to say something's absolute

1042
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:58,800
without having all the facts

1043
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,320
and you know i know there's a lot of

1044
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:02,240
people who want to jump to conclusions

1045
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,359
against it

1046
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:05,280
uh without even having all the

1047
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:08,000
all the facts presented to them because

1048
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,520
we're in essence taking people out of

1049
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:11,760
their comfort zone and also also the

1050
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:14,000
fact that um

1051
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,040
there are other groups who are wanting

1052
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:18,960
to do the same and they don't like the

1053
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,040
fact that we have taken the limelight or

1054
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:23,119
we have taken this and taken it to

1055
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:24,880
another level

1056
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,800
they should just do it

1057
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:28,880
i mean yeah fortunate

1058
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:32,079
yeah it gets political unfortunately

1059
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:33,760
i'm pretty sure what they are covering

1060
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:35,200
though are the events that were in the

1061
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:36,800
film because that's the data that was

1062
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:39,680
looked at first so it would be you know

1063
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:42,560
the anomaly it would be probably

1064
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,400
some of the objects that were falling

1065
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:46,160
and i think there's like three and the

1066
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:51,270
that makes it

1067
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:52,720
okay

1068
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:53,760
thank you

1069
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:56,079
hey guys we haven't heard about your new

1070
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:59,359
organization we did hear that you have

1071
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:01,599
you are not with uapx you're with a

1072
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,240
different organization now i wonder am i

1073
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,640
am i not correct about that no so we're

1074
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:08,640
no longer with uapx but we're not

1075
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:12,240
members of any other organization okay

1076
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,680
yeah yeah i was uh i was solicited

1077
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:17,040
and uh

1078
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:19,599
this one organization who solicited me

1079
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:20,720
wanted

1080
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:23,680
in essence uh they

1081
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:26,160
they wanted my inventions

1082
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:28,720
and uh i they wanted to use it as a

1083
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,599
banner and i kind of felt like this

1084
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:33,680
wasn't really serving my interest in

1085
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:34,880
there and

1086
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:37,440
so i dropped contact and i kind of think

1087
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:38,240
that

1088
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:39,599
they're not very happy with me about

1089
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,480
this

1090
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:42,960
i mean do they have matching 401k like

1091
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:45,680
our podcast i i don't know

1092
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:47,040
it's true well you guys are a part of

1093
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:50,319
the council of dave's so that is

1094
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:52,880
some organization um so a question i

1095
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,319
wanted to ask is uh

1096
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,400
so after having done this

1097
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:58,880
sort of analysis near catalina

1098
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:00,880
are there other sites that you're really

1099
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:04,079
kind of keen on getting a now to

1100
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,960
that you have either heard of or

1101
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:08,480
maybe just interested in because of the

1102
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:11,839
properties of that particular area

1103
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,800
want me to take that one yeah go ahead

1104
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,880
so

1105
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:18,720
properties that i want to go to or

1106
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:22,640
properties that i can go to i mean

1107
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:25,760
we'll get you in area 51 by monday

1108
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,560
so

1109
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:28,720
um a couple of places i could think off

1110
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,520
the bat one would be chris bledsoe's

1111
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:33,440
area oh my god yeah

1112
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:36,400
yeah um another one would be a

1113
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:38,720
a newer property it's not much known

1114
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,480
about it it's called the meadow

1115
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,160
that trey hudson

1116
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:45,040
has been writing a lot about

1117
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:49,440
um those would probably be my top two

1118
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:53,910
okay i mean those are probably

1119
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,200
properties that i heard there's some

1120
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,960
weird stuff going on and they're you

1121
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,560
know not many people have been there so

1122
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,240
that's that's why

1123
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:02,160
got it okay all right are both i know

1124
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:04,079
with the bledsoe property it is

1125
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:06,079
relatively close to the ocean

1126
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,560
uh with the meadow property is it

1127
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:10,640
similar to that as well

1128
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,069
all right what about uh from you uh

1129
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,000
mason what do you think in terms of um

1130
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:22,079
locations that you have an interest in

1131
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:25,040
i i actually have some spots identified

1132
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:28,000
uh i because of some privacy concerns

1133
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:29,760
with the property owners i don't want to

1134
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:31,359
mention

1135
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:33,680
but they really look like great sites

1136
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:34,720
for

1137
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:36,079
doing a

1138
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:38,000
sky watch

1139
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,440
we were going to copy the gps

1140
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:41,520
coordinates nathan do you have your in

1141
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,480
that well

1142
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:44,400
or we'll take him in mgrs that's right

1143
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,520
that's already

1144
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:47,040
you can do this anywhere though i'm

1145
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,560
kidding i'm kidding we're kidding yeah

1146
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,920
you could do this anywhere you don't

1147
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,079
really i mean i get the question but you

1148
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:54,480
don't need to have a hot area that's

1149
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,680
that would be

1150
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,520
i i think it's the most important is

1151
00:44:02,150 --> 00:43:59,680
just to have at least a moderately clear

1152
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,160
sky with open space and

1153
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,400
i i want to get back to the earlier

1154
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:06,240
question and this was about you know

1155
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,400
what do you do to prepare uh you know

1156
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:10,800
mentally for these things and i um

1157
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:13,200
what i found from my experience is if i

1158
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,119
go out in a sky watch where if i do a

1159
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:17,359
simple one with night vision goggles and

1160
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:19,119
and some friends and to say we're just

1161
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:21,200
going to look for anomalous stuff we see

1162
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:23,119
this stuff it'll it'll you'll see

1163
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:25,119
satellites that change trajectories so

1164
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:26,960
therefore they're not a satellite

1165
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:27,839
um

1166
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:29,599
and then there's other activities i

1167
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:31,520
engage in like uh with

1168
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,190
what they call the table mountain star

1169
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:39,359
party uh in washington state and there

1170
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,079
would be 600 astronomers gathered here

1171
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,240
at this star party up on top of this

1172
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:46,880
ridge 6 000 feet elevation

1173
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,599
and everybody it would 600 you know

1174
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,359
astronomers telescopes in the field

1175
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,200
everywhere and in attendance of this

1176
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,599
thing i never once heard anyone say

1177
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,599
oh look at that thing in the sky you

1178
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:59,520
know we certainly got excited when we

1179
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:00,400
saw

1180
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:02,960
the international space station or

1181
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:06,640
a meteorite but nothing abnormal and

1182
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:07,920
it's it's like because you're when

1183
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:09,040
you're looking through a telescope

1184
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:10,960
you're just looking through either the

1185
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:12,880
eyepiece which is a very narrow field of

1186
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:15,359
view or you're looking at a data set on

1187
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:18,480
a computer trying to do tracking of

1188
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,040
your your telescope's coordinates so

1189
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:23,440
that your exposures are well coordinated

1190
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:25,760
on the object that you're imaging so

1191
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,280
your eyes aren't always focused on the

1192
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:29,839
sky and i don't know if this is

1193
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:32,240
because if you go into a scenario where

1194
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:33,680
you want to see something and therefore

1195
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,079
you see it or if you're making it happen

1196
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,800
by having that that level of thought

1197
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,800
but those have been my experiences if

1198
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,880
you do go out and you have the right

1199
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:44,880
mindset and you have you're with people

1200
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:47,200
who also have the right mindset and not

1201
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:49,040
people who are disruptive i'll i'll just

1202
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:51,119
tell you there was a time i went out

1203
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,319
on an event

1204
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:54,240
and this one person just showed up and

1205
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,440
was loud and obnoxious and i just knew

1206
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:59,680
game's over you know the evening is shot

1207
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:01,280
we're not going to see anything and and

1208
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:02,480
so it's just like you got to have the

1209
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,720
right people and i apologize for doing

1210
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:06,880
that and that's why i left dave i was

1211
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:08,880
that guy

1212
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:11,200
hey hey uh real quick real quick before

1213
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:13,040
i forget and i have not mentioned this

1214
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:14,640
during an interview yet

1215
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:16,000
so

1216
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,760
i think it was the third night we were

1217
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:19,680
out there we were on the roof and we

1218
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:21,200
were supposed to have the hotel roof

1219
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:24,160
closed to ourselves oh i know the story

1220
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:25,359
yeah

1221
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:28,880
so this guy comes up and he is wasted

1222
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:31,599
and he did not care what we said he was

1223
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:33,440
going to be up on that roof

1224
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:35,839
and he saw us filming and he wanted like

1225
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,319
the last thing i wanted him to know was

1226
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,319
we were doing a ufo thing because i can

1227
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:42,480
just imagine what would have happened

1228
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,680
so

1229
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,359
he he asked me he's like what are you

1230
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:47,280
guys doing up here and i'm like uh sorry

1231
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:48,560
sir we're just filming something but

1232
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:51,040
this is actually closed right now um to

1233
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:52,079
the public

1234
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:54,079
and right when i said that that was the

1235
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:55,280
wrong thing to say because then he

1236
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:56,800
wasn't going to leave we ended up having

1237
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:59,200
to call the hotel like the owners and

1238
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:01,359
the cops and they finally got him down

1239
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,560
and then when

1240
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,319
when they when they told him well i

1241
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:05,920
guess when he finally figured out what

1242
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:07,280
we were doing up there he wanted to come

1243
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:08,720
up and talk to us again but by then it

1244
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:10,720
was too late but he was up there for

1245
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:13,280
like a good three a good three hours

1246
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:14,240
at least

1247
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:15,839
you have to come up with a backup plan

1248
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:18,000
for those kind of instances oh we're

1249
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,839
taking the whole pictures anniversary

1250
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,000
pictures it's a school project nothing

1251
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:24,400
nothing to be concerned with yeah this

1252
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,240
is kind of this kind of coincides with

1253
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:28,800
what happened uh where we were set up on

1254
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:32,960
laguna beach uh we had the cops show up

1255
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:35,520
we had an irate neighbor show up who was

1256
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:37,920
a neighboring to this mansion uh he

1257
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:39,440
thought that we were spying on him with

1258
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,720
all his gear

1259
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:42,079
um

1260
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:44,319
the movie i guess the movie cops making

1261
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,559
sure that we were permitted it was like

1262
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,000
and then we got buzzed by two different

1263
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:50,880
helicopters and we were able to see

1264
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,119
that where they by getting the tail

1265
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:55,200
number we knew where they had traveled

1266
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:57,200
uh they they took off from one airport

1267
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,800
they looped around the house and then

1268
00:48:01,829 --> 00:48:00,480
went back to another airport and this

1269
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:01,839
happened twice

1270
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,240
we were obviously being spied on yeah

1271
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,079
and that was one of the concerns we had

1272
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:08,160
while filming because i didn't want

1273
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,920
somebody to know okay we're going to be

1274
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,200
there at this time where they would just

1275
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:13,520
go fly a drone and then say yeah

1276
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,880
we kept it pretty hush-hush of when we

1277
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:16,400
were going to be because then they would

1278
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:17,839
just say see they'll videotape

1279
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:19,359
themselves flying the drone and then

1280
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,200
just say this is what we did and this is

1281
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:23,599
what those guys caught case closed and

1282
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:25,119
you know because people like to play

1283
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,720
that kind of stuff so we didn't want to

1284
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,559
put that information out there plus we

1285
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:30,960
had the right gear to vet that you know

1286
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,280
i had the rf spectrum analyzer to look

1287
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:34,960
for the frequencies of

1288
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,440
what was being would be trans um

1289
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:40,319
transmitted to a drone craft so and

1290
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:41,680
there's just no chance that that would

1291
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:42,559
happen

1292
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:45,359
and jeremy's adsb out kit that he has

1293
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:47,839
with that upside and down antenna will

1294
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:49,599
give you all that information of what

1295
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,200
that what the tail number is what kind

1296
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:53,119
of craft it is and yeah and you can

1297
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:54,800
track it and all that stuff yeah the

1298
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:57,280
adfb uh data is actually something you

1299
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:59,119
could just look at on your iphone so you

1300
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:00,559
could you can watch and see where

1301
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,400
aircraft are and what altitude and where

1302
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,160
they're going it's it's pretty amazing

1303
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:06,319
that that's available to the public

1304
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:08,240
they were sending me screenshots 65

1305
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:10,240
minutes

1306
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:11,440
i love it

1307
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:16,240
before i get to my communication

1308
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,030
all right so i'm gonna tell you guys i

1309
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:25,200
really really enjoyed your documentary

1310
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,280
so as a behaviorist you know i value

1311
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:29,440
data that's specific observable

1312
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,400
measurable

1313
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,400
i really really love your approach it

1314
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:34,000
was scientific i think

1315
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:36,079
um this is the way to go to bringing it

1316
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,559
mainstream i think it it's the way to go

1317
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,880
um so my question to you is um nobody

1318
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,960
asked about the anomaly i know you guys

1319
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,559
were calling it the uh

1320
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:46,800
the uh what was it called

1321
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:48,640
wormhole but i know that was pure

1322
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:50,800
speculation that's not actually what it

1323
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:53,440
is um have you learned about anything

1324
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,040
since about it

1325
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:57,359
um unfortunately i don't have that data

1326
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:58,800
so

1327
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:01,040
when we went back to our you know our

1328
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:03,040
private lives i have all the flear

1329
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,720
recordings i have the original thumb

1330
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:06,160
drive recordings everybody else has

1331
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:09,119
copies of that but i don't have what was

1332
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:11,440
taken from the ufo dap camera which is a

1333
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:13,680
that camera was owned by carolyn corey

1334
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:14,640
and

1335
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:18,960
have the radiation data that matthew

1336
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:22,400
sedagas had gathered and so i'm because

1337
00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:24,559
i was getting overwhelmed when we were

1338
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,760
at the site because i had to be

1339
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:27,440
responsible for eight clear cameras

1340
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:28,960
making sure they were calibrated and

1341
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,839
running uh to make sure uh the data

1342
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,359
loggers weren't being overwhelmed and

1343
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:35,680
that we we could reload new thumb drives

1344
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:40,079
to them uh it was it was very very busy

1345
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:42,000
maintaining all that equipment so to put

1346
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:43,760
it in perspective everything you saw on

1347
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,440
the rooftops

1348
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,359
is owned by me

1349
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:49,200
yeah i was the one everything

1350
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,319
everything

1351
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:52,079
with the exception there was uh there

1352
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:54,319
was one camera

1353
00:50:57,829 --> 00:50:56,000
the ufo depth camera which was the

1354
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:57,839
camera on the wooden tripod off on the

1355
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:59,280
corner of the rooftop that's owned by

1356
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,599
carolyn corey she purchased that for the

1357
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,280
purpose of being able to gather data

1358
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,200
using that automated system

1359
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:07,920
so yeah i had a tremendous amount of

1360
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:10,000
stuff to manage so when it came down to

1361
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,040
more data and and here we had two phds

1362
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:15,839
ready to go i just let you guys you know

1363
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:17,599
take go look at that thing and see what

1364
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:19,599
you can find out

1365
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:21,200
all right do you have any speculations

1366
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:23,839
on it i i really don't i can't make

1367
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:26,480
comments i really i won't because what i

1368
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,720
i really like to look at data uh when

1369
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:30,720
somebody just shows me a photo of like a

1370
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:34,240
ufo and it's just a blue background and

1371
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,720
an object i have no idea if that's a bug

1372
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:38,800
or some massive object in the distance i

1373
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,640
mean you really can't preside an opinion

1374
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:42,319
on it without getting more

1375
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,160
information

1376
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:46,480
to gather on it hey kev though just to

1377
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:48,240
throw a bug in your ear there was that

1378
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,319
capsule that popped into frame and

1379
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:53,040
popped out that you might true yeah i

1380
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,880
remember that that was that thing yeah

1381
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:56,880
and that was what what strikes me was

1382
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:58,960
the fact if that thing was a warm

1383
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:01,200
manifestation i would have thought yeah

1384
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:03,359
possibly a very high energy

1385
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:05,680
cosmic ray struck the microvolometer and

1386
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:07,359
caused it to heat up momentarily and

1387
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:09,040
cause it but the fact it went negative

1388
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,880
energy or temperature

1389
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,480
it wouldn't be at the microvolometer

1390
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,720
level it would have to be at the mic

1391
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:16,400
at the a to d converter behind the

1392
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:18,880
microvolometer if it got struck but

1393
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,559
i really don't think we can replicate

1394
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:21,839
that in the lab

1395
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:24,160
oh that was something i have a

1396
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,839
follow-up too um

1397
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:27,920
how comfortable were you guys in those

1398
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:28,960
outfits

1399
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:45,589
the shirts were fine uh it was a hot day

1400
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:47,920
um i mean it was from a production

1401
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:49,680
standpoint because i wanted a like a

1402
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:52,160
blue shirt because red shirts this is

1403
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:54,319
face it all the guys in star trek except

1404
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:01,109
they all they all got the hats were cool

1405
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:05,990
so you know you kind of felt like you

1406
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:08,400
were next in line to get zapped by the

1407
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,270
not to mention i was on an island

1408
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,520
at a like a bed and breakfast that had

1409
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:19,599
no washer and dryer

1410
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,800
like 24 7. i only had two shirts and two

1411
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:24,480
pairs of shorts i had to figure out

1412
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:25,839
every single night how i was going to

1413
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:28,000
wash my clothes because after being up

1414
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:30,079
on a roof all day in the sun i mean they

1415
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:32,000
were drenched i had one i had to figure

1416
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:33,839
out i paid a lady like 20 bucks to wash

1417
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,119
my shirt

1418
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:37,280
i watched that in the shower david when

1419
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:39,359
i when i'm when i was away from the air

1420
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:41,040
force somewhere i'd be like hey man no

1421
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:43,119
laundry go in the shower soap it up

1422
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:45,200
rinse it off hang it up

1423
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:46,240
yeah

1424
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:48,240
the second i could put something else on

1425
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:51,119
i put it on oh yeah yeah we actually had

1426
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:53,839
a failure of our dryer at the mansion it

1427
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:55,520
worked for the first few days and then

1428
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,839
it quit running i think it broke a belt

1429
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,520
and so we ended up just hang drying all

1430
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,200
of our laundry uh

1431
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:03,680
off the balcony yeah and luckily it was

1432
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:05,760
a hot dry day so everything dried

1433
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,400
quickly this is true sacrifice david

1434
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:10,640
mason i salute you

1435
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:13,200
uh stephanie

1436
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:15,119
let's get we got to start to get in our

1437
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:17,520
last round what you got my friend

1438
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:19,760
all right well let's see okay i'm not on

1439
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:22,079
me so you know you guys do work with

1440
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:24,880
some dangerous you know say gamma rays i

1441
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:26,160
know that those can be extremely

1442
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:29,280
dangerous do you guys wear anything that

1443
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:32,400
would give you any sense of have you

1444
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:34,400
been exposed to anything you know such

1445
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:37,440
as a badge or anything oh roger that

1446
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:39,040
okay like the boxers

1447
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:40,079
changed

1448
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:41,200
nice

1449
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:44,079
so we weren't um we were using actual we

1450
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:45,680
weren't using actual devices that were

1451
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:48,000
transmitting uh radiation we were just

1452
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:50,799
using passive radiation detection now

1453
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:53,599
the radiation all the time uh from outer

1454
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,400
space even the earth is radiating and

1455
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,480
so we were just using two different

1456
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,640
radiation devices so matthew had a

1457
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:02,640
radiation analyzer called the cosmic

1458
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:05,440
watch it was developed by mit and that

1459
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:07,200
that radiation analyzer was hooked to a

1460
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:10,720
laptop doing a uh data logging

1461
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,640
and then i built my i designed my own

1462
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,480
radiation analyzer it actually wasn't as

1463
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:16,720
sophisticated it was just a dual spec

1464
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:18,319
well i call it a dual spectrum but it

1465
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:21,119
was two geiger tubes one tube is heavily

1466
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:23,599
shielded one wasn't shielded so i could

1467
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:25,520
differentiate between the harder energy

1468
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:28,079
and lower energy type radiation and i

1469
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:30,079
would say that when his radiation

1470
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:32,240
analyzer was showing big

1471
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:33,200
numbers

1472
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,440
mine which was doing clicks and beeps

1473
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:37,359
was just going crazy i mean it was

1474
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:39,440
corresponding so we were just simply

1475
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:41,200
detecting these gamma bursts that were

1476
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:42,720
coming through and

1477
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,720
and unfortunately that's everywhere

1478
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:46,559
everybody gets bombarded by them it's

1479
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:48,079
nothing to do with government it's

1480
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:50,720
natural stuff from outer space and

1481
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:52,880
we have to live with it

1482
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:53,680
sure

1483
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,520
thank you yeah i was curious about that

1484
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:57,599
yeah the iss has got some serious

1485
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:59,359
radiation going on there man they got to

1486
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:01,359
be shielded in that place

1487
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:03,520
now astronauts even experience in outer

1488
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,200
space if they close their eyelids

1489
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,920
they'll see flashes because um you know

1490
00:56:10,789 --> 00:56:09,359
sometimes you'll experience that if

1491
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:10,799
you've ever gone to bed and you're

1492
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,319
you're just dozing off and you see kind

1493
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,559
of a flash in your eyeball

1494
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:17,040
that's often a cosmic ray that just

1495
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:18,559
went in and

1496
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,000
initiated a uh a trigger on one of your

1497
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:24,000
your eyeballs so

1498
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:25,760
that is that's a natural thing that

1499
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:27,200
happens but when you're in outer space

1500
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:29,440
there's a tremendous amount of radiation

1501
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:30,799
striking you know when i've done

1502
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:33,280
radiation measurements i find that

1503
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:36,400
um if you have an overcast night sky you

1504
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:38,240
know will cast with clouds that's when i

1505
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:39,920
get the minimal amount of background

1506
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:42,319
radiation but if the sun's out and it's

1507
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:46,240
a clear day it's uh make 20 percent more

1508
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:48,160
on the average that i measured from my

1509
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:50,160
radiation analysis

1510
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:51,520
totally amazingly well

1511
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:52,319
uh

1512
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:53,920
dempsey webbs he has an audience

1513
00:56:59,330 --> 00:56:55,839
question from baby goat

1514
00:57:02,789 --> 00:56:59,340
what's up hey

1515
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:02,799
[Laughter]

1516
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:05,520
no baby goat was asking um what are

1517
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:07,839
their thoughts on the uap hearings so

1518
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:10,240
this is for both of you

1519
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:12,799
um i i haven't heard from them just yet

1520
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:14,559
are we talking about the uh

1521
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:16,720
congressional the congressional

1522
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:18,960
i thought that it was kind of a it was a

1523
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,720
disappointment from the standpoint of

1524
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:22,559
what they covered they they only covered

1525
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:23,920
things that had been already been

1526
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:26,559
somewhat debunked uh the bigger cases

1527
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,480
they ignored that data

1528
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,720
a lot of obfuscation

1529
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:32,640
and premise were i would say premise

1530
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,000
because of some gibberish that was

1531
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:36,960
mentioned but it was not um

1532
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,880
anything really concrete that gave us

1533
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:40,559
anything tangible that would get us

1534
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:43,119
excited but the excitement was

1535
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:44,480
that the fact that there was a

1536
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:46,240
congressional hearing and that's a step

1537
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,920
moving forward and i'm excited about

1538
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:49,440
that aspect because we know that there

1539
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:51,520
will be follow-up on this

1540
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:52,880
i agree and i'll tell you they bollocks

1541
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:55,520
bollocksed us on that uh that jeremy

1542
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:58,799
corbell video i i challenge anybody to

1543
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:01,040
take a 35 millimeter camera shoot it

1544
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:03,119
through a night vision device on deck

1545
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:05,359
and produce those thr those uh 3d

1546
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:06,400
pyramids

1547
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:08,480
and i i challenge anybody to produce

1548
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,000
something that looks like that because i

1549
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:12,240
don't buy that not for a second so

1550
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:13,200
that's my

1551
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:16,000
uh

1552
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:19,920
that question

1553
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:23,280
to the hearings yes sir um i guess

1554
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:25,520
probably i was

1555
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:27,200
taken back by a couple things just like

1556
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,200
a lot of other people uh the wilson

1557
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:31,359
documents being mentioned

1558
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:34,240
um for one um as far as you know the

1559
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,680
video evidence

1560
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:37,200
you know if you don't go in expecting

1561
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,760
much then you won't be too let down so

1562
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:41,280
you know i

1563
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:43,359
wasn't anything exciting for me

1564
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:44,880
you know dave

1565
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,400
i could see how somebody who doesn't

1566
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:48,480
know about this stuff could be

1567
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:50,319
taken you know i'm kind of excited but

1568
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:51,599
people that you know live with this

1569
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:52,960
every day and

1570
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:55,359
do this 24 7 you know i kind of knew

1571
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:57,599
weren't going to see much

1572
00:59:02,549 --> 00:58:59,920
hey dave they they clearly sat there at

1573
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:02,559
the drive on on sipper or jaywix and go

1574
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:05,520
what's the worst video we have where

1575
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:08,480
it's the most unclear what the hell

1576
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:10,079
we're looking at where we'll have to

1577
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:12,880
stop it like 17 times to even discern

1578
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,799
that something's move happening and

1579
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:16,640
that's the one they picked for that i

1580
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:19,680
out the window uh fighter video so i i i

1581
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,520
agree with i agree with your colleague

1582
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:23,280
mason overall

1583
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:24,960
definitely positive that they had those

1584
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:27,440
hearings but they did i have to raise

1585
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:29,760
that bs flag on the maelstrom air force

1586
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,040
base on the uh jeremy corbell video and

1587
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:35,520
as you uh but i am also gratified they

1588
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:41,270
i know i wish there was a question in

1589
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:43,280
there but there isn't uh nathan go ahead

1590
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:45,440
brother well uh first of all just again

1591
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:47,280
thank you guys for being with us today

1592
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:49,200
uh and talking about the work that's

1593
00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:51,680
gone into this documentary and and we

1594
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:53,599
really did enjoy it a lot

1595
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:55,440
what um

1596
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:57,119
what would you like to see happen next

1597
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:00,559
in terms of how we can encourage promote

1598
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:03,599
uh make it more distributed efforts like

1599
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:06,240
this to get more data

1600
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:08,960
to develop platforms that are easy to

1601
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:10,640
deploy you know what what are we

1602
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:12,480
thinking there in terms of how we roll

1603
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:15,040
this out and and do more

1604
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:18,240
well a lot of people um you know

1605
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:20,079
can do this you don't need to go out and

1606
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:22,240
spend you know

1607
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:23,920
millions of dollars

1608
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,760
you can just save up and go and get

1609
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,440
yourself a nice pair of night vision

1610
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:29,040
goggles i mean if i was going to start

1611
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:30,079
someplace

1612
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:32,480
night vision goggles and maybe up on my

1613
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:33,520
roof

1614
01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:35,760
and just just keep just keep looking up

1615
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:37,280
and people will catch something and then

1616
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:38,720
just need to get that data and put it

1617
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:40,240
out

1618
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:41,599
yeah

1619
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:42,799
nice

1620
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:44,799
citizen science baby

1621
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:46,079
uh

1622
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:50,240
i heard

1623
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:52,000
in your movie

1624
01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:54,799
is what you spoke about at the beginning

1625
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:57,520
is about communication with light now i

1626
01:01:02,150 --> 01:00:59,839
realize you know i wish nathan had

1627
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:02,160
queued up the uh close encounters of the

1628
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:05,200
third kind with the lights and the tones

1629
01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:06,799
because we'll remember that for the rest

1630
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:10,000
of our life how that goes by the way um

1631
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:12,480
but i don't think i've heard anything

1632
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:14,720
anyone else posit that theory or that

1633
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:16,160
hypothesis

1634
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:17,119
that

1635
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:20,960
form of communication

1636
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:23,119
and you are trying to communicate with

1637
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:24,400
them that way

1638
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:26,079
and i'm absolutely fascinated could you

1639
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:28,319
speak about that in a little more detail

1640
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:29,440
please

1641
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:31,440
yeah it just follows what what i

1642
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:32,960
mentioned earlier about many of the

1643
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:34,880
documented uh

1644
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:36,559
stories going back you know before

1645
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:38,960
hollywood even that these reports saying

1646
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:40,319
that these things had lights that

1647
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:42,640
rotated or had lights that pulses

1648
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:43,520
and

1649
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:45,200
the fact that our rf technology

1650
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:47,760
continues to evolve in where we're going

1651
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:49,599
higher and higher frequency and i would

1652
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:50,880
only assume

1653
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:53,440
that any et would be using the

1654
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:55,359
electromagnetic spectrum at an even

1655
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:56,880
higher frequency because the higher the

1656
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:58,880
frequency you go the more data sets you

1657
01:02:02,069 --> 01:02:00,640
can put on that frequency

1658
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:02,079
and behind me when you look at the light

1659
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:03,760
wave transmitter that

1660
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:06,799
ultraviolet light wave transmitter is

1661
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:10,079
bumping just above 800 terahertz in

1662
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:11,200
frequency

1663
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:12,880
way above

1664
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:14,480
you know we're talking terahertz in

1665
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:16,319
frequency and we're modulating that as

1666
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:19,280
frequency and amplitude modulation

1667
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:21,280
that is a big leap frog in the

1668
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,079
electromagnetic spectrum as far as the

1669
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:26,400
attempt of communication into whatever

1670
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:28,240
we we may be dealing with

1671
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:30,559
and so that we're trying to work with

1672
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:32,400
them at their spectrum that they appear

1673
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:35,680
to be transmitting data sets to us

1674
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:36,559
and

1675
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:38,319
when i um

1676
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:40,640
was deciding what to transmit uh you

1677
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:43,039
know i want to say that i had mentioned

1678
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,520
this to the group in uapx i said you

1679
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:47,520
know i'm looking for stuff to transmit

1680
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:49,839
and kevin day suggested the sounds of

1681
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:52,240
whales and dolphins and michael hall you

1682
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:54,880
know said well he agreed on this

1683
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:58,079
and so i i got some recordings that were

1684
01:03:02,870 --> 01:02:59,839
from a i can't it's an anonymous

1685
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:02,880
supplier but they i said i want to have

1686
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:05,119
recordings of these uh whales and

1687
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:07,520
dolphins in the ocean expressing

1688
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:09,839
happiness i don't want a recording of a

1689
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:11,760
whale or a dolphin that's in a folding

1690
01:03:15,510 --> 01:03:14,000
tank and saying i want out of this thing

1691
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:15,520
right right right

1692
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:18,000
right so i wanted to have that type of

1693
01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:19,760
communication and then to loop it now

1694
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:22,000
the reason for transmitting that

1695
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:23,440
uh you know whales and dolphins have

1696
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:24,799
been around for millions of years and

1697
01:03:27,990 --> 01:03:26,240
i'm not trying to do a parody of the

1698
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:28,000
star trek iv thing with spock although

1699
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:30,319
it seems to coincide with it they've got

1700
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:32,799
much larger brains than we have

1701
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:35,440
and if we transmit this data in a set of

1702
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:37,839
their their sounds in the form of

1703
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:40,480
modulated light over different spectrums

1704
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:42,160
we're sending out the message that we

1705
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:44,720
hold a species other than ourselves in

1706
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:47,680
higher regard we're not um

1707
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:49,440
holding ourselves in arrogant form i

1708
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:51,119
think if i was to pick up a microphone

1709
01:03:54,630 --> 01:03:52,960
and speak english

1710
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:54,640
that's an arrogant form because english

1711
01:03:59,670 --> 01:03:57,440
does not represent the world

1712
01:04:01,430 --> 01:03:59,680
and and so you have to you have to move

1713
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:01,440
that aside and then when you transmit

1714
01:04:06,069 --> 01:04:03,359
this you're telling whatever is out

1715
01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:06,079
there that you hold this other species

1716
01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:08,079
in higher regard than ourselves or has

1717
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:10,480
the same level but also we accept

1718
01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:13,200
species that don't look like us

1719
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,200
and and that may be one of the things

1720
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:17,760
that holds them back because maybe their

1721
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:20,319
appearances may startle us

1722
01:04:24,630 --> 01:04:23,119
and so this is a way of saying here's a

1723
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:24,640
species that doesn't look like us it

1724
01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:25,680
doesn't start a lesson we're

1725
01:04:30,309 --> 01:04:27,599
transmitting their information

1726
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:30,319
and in a way to implore a response

1727
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:32,160
i i really just don't think that putting

1728
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:34,720
computer data or prime numbers or

1729
01:04:38,069 --> 01:04:37,200
or binary or whatever you want

1730
01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:38,079
i don't think they're going to be

1731
01:04:42,309 --> 01:04:40,319
impressed by that i am this is

1732
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:42,319
absolutely fascinating so you're going

1733
01:04:46,470 --> 01:04:45,440
to turn that that whale sound

1734
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:46,480
into

1735
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:52,319
a that that they can then

1736
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:55,760
receive as a in in the form of light

1737
01:04:59,670 --> 01:04:57,599
that they can receive is that

1738
01:05:01,270 --> 01:04:59,680
right what i'm understanding yeah now of

1739
01:05:03,349 --> 01:05:01,280
course if they send it back in their

1740
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:03,359
language uh all i could do is record it

1741
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:04,640
but i feel right

1742
01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:06,319
i can't echo it you know but at least

1743
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:07,760
it's this first

1744
01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:09,200
it's like where it's like somebody

1745
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:10,720
speaking a different language who tries

1746
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:12,640
to introduce themselves you may not

1747
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:14,000
speak their language but you can

1748
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:16,079
understand there's an attempt

1749
01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:19,200
and the gesture of attempt means that

1750
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:22,319
we're open to suggestion you know we you

1751
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:24,160
can try to contact us

1752
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,480
well nathan can he can decode it for you

1753
01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:28,559
if you get something back so don't worry

1754
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:30,160
about that we've no problem yeah we've

1755
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:33,599
got that part covered but no this is uh

1756
01:05:36,870 --> 01:05:36,000
i don't has anybody on the panel deb

1757
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:36,880
kevin

1758
01:05:41,829 --> 01:05:39,599
steph uh has any nathan has anybody

1759
01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:41,839
heard of this before

1760
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:42,799
before

1761
01:05:49,029 --> 01:05:46,240
david mason i have through musical notes

1762
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:49,039
in keys of c and a

1763
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:51,119
so i wonder if that could correlate

1764
01:05:56,390 --> 01:05:53,920
somehow with the sounds of the whales

1765
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:56,400
when they're making their sounds i mean

1766
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:57,920
through light though through light is

1767
01:06:02,309 --> 01:06:01,359
what i'm asking through light um no

1768
01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:02,319
no

1769
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:03,520
through

1770
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:08,000
as of yet no yeah

1771
01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:09,920
we were also transmitting uh you know i

1772
01:06:14,789 --> 01:06:12,000
play solo acoustic guitar i recorded a

1773
01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:14,799
cd and i was i was looping that uh and

1774
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:16,480
not trying to self-promote my guitar

1775
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:18,400
music but i i just figured

1776
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:20,799
no it's no one else's copyright so i

1777
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:22,640
figured i'd be okay with that and then

1778
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:25,440
carolyn corey had her own music that was

1779
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:27,440
being transmitted so a lot of that was

1780
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:29,359
just we could use our own stuff so no

1781
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:31,280
one can claim hey we played you know

1782
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:37,670
they find out if they find out that we

1783
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:39,760
we need to get a you know

1784
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:40,880
strike

1785
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:42,400
i'm sure if we contacted him they'd

1786
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:44,000
probably say yeah go ahead you know just

1787
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:53,990
yeah i mean but it so that's why we used

1788
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:55,599
our own guitar music but if he if he

1789
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:57,280
wants to contact us and say yeah please

1790
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:59,359
use that album or our latest album or

1791
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:01,119
something honoring neil pierre you know

1792
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:03,280
yeah i would do it absolutely right now

1793
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:04,799
there's a led zeppelin fan saying it

1794
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:06,240
should have been over the hills and far

1795
01:07:10,870 --> 01:07:08,559
away uh all right

1796
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:10,880
i love it you guys know that song it's

1797
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:12,720
in the key of g

1798
01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:14,799
all right is that my favorite one all

1799
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:15,680
right

1800
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:18,079
this was amazing you guys are great uh

1801
01:07:22,870 --> 01:07:20,480
we're gonna start our goodbyes with

1802
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:22,880
the aforementioned miss stephanie uap

1803
01:07:27,910 --> 01:07:25,920
experiencer yeah well i really liked uh

1804
01:07:30,309 --> 01:07:27,920
carolyn's mention at the end of your

1805
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:30,319
film that uh how

1806
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:32,559
we're trying to figure out how we fit

1807
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:34,559
beyond the bigger picture

1808
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:37,359
so what you guys are you know putting

1809
01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:40,240
forth towards the subject is just one

1810
01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:42,640
piece of the puzzle i know that we all

1811
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:46,160
serve in some form in this whole

1812
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:48,240
you know dynamic and i just wanted to

1813
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:50,160
say thank you to all of you for creating

1814
01:07:54,390 --> 01:07:52,160
this and uh it's been a pleasure

1815
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:54,400
speaking with both of you so thank you

1816
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:56,480
thank you it's been a pleasure

1817
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:57,920
thank you

1818
01:08:01,349 --> 01:07:59,440
kev

1819
01:08:03,029 --> 01:08:01,359
well i just want to say thank you it's

1820
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:03,039
been awesome meeting you guys i really

1821
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:05,520
enjoyed your your um production and i'm

1822
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:06,960
really interested in where you're going

1823
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:08,640
with this as because i'm a musician too

1824
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:09,680
so

1825
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:11,520
yeah i would really love if you maybe

1826
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:13,520
put this on a public domain if i could

1827
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:15,760
record my own music and send it off into

1828
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:17,839
space in the form of light that would be

1829
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:20,880
fantastic i'll be all down for that

1830
01:08:25,349 --> 01:08:23,120
yeah man you could yeah are you thinking

1831
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:25,359
about getting on that like marketing or

1832
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:27,199
is it just so comfortable you know the

1833
01:08:30,070 --> 01:08:28,719
one thing is a lot of people are asking

1834
01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:30,080
me about well are you going to do this

1835
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:31,600
or take your inventions and do this

1836
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:34,799
other stuff and i i run a corporation

1837
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:36,960
and i have so many responsibilities in

1838
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:39,839
doing that contracts that i it's often i

1839
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:41,440
you know at the end of the day i just

1840
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:43,600
want to relax and and

1841
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:45,279
pretty much do nothing you know like a

1842
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:48,480
lot of guys want to do nothing

1843
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:50,960
it's hard for me to to manage a lot of

1844
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:52,400
different things and when you get your

1845
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:54,960
your hands in so many activities

1846
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:57,120
uh the whole music thing i i wanted to

1847
01:09:01,510 --> 01:08:59,520
follow that um when i recorded the cd i

1848
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,520
thought wow this is going to be a career

1849
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:03,359
but i found out my friends who were

1850
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:05,279
really serious about it weren't doing

1851
01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:07,600
very well financially from it and i

1852
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:09,679
i've got expensive hobbies so i couldn't

1853
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:11,440
afford to go there

1854
01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:13,679
i was in the music business for over 20

1855
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:14,719
years

1856
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:16,080
oh yeah

1857
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:19,120
oh man i work i manage bands and i work

1858
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:22,719
for all the record labels i did a r work

1859
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:24,080
wow awesome

1860
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:25,759
you guys are awesome man you guys are

1861
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:28,719
such a bear uh yeah right by the way

1862
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:31,120
david before we turn it over to debs to

1863
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:32,560
to speak her piece

1864
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:35,600
are you guys uh aligned together now are

1865
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:38,000
you got do you guys have a your own

1866
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:40,159
group or you guys all disparate at this

1867
01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:41,359
point

1868
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:44,319
um we're trying to stick together i mean

1869
01:09:49,110 --> 01:09:46,159
as far as another group i don't think

1870
01:09:51,269 --> 01:09:49,120
i'll ever join a group ever again

1871
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:51,279
if i do it'll be a casual thing i'm not

1872
01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:53,279
going to join something that has

1873
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:56,159
leaders and vice leaders and founders

1874
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:57,840
and co-founders and all that jazz it

1875
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:59,120
just has to be

1876
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:00,960
a casual thing let's go out learn

1877
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:03,760
something collect the data and have fun

1878
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:04,719
you know

1879
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:06,239
all right so yeah i think dave grohl is

1880
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:08,159
looking for another guitar player and at

1881
01:10:11,669 --> 01:10:10,480
least you should consider it

1882
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:11,679
another dave

1883
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:13,679
yeah

1884
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:16,080
we're way over the quota debs what's he

1885
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:17,360
got buddy

1886
01:10:21,270 --> 01:10:19,520
yeah well um first of all i definitely

1887
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:21,280
want to be best friends with both of you

1888
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:23,040
and not just because someone has really

1889
01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:25,120
cool binoculars and the other ones just

1890
01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:27,440
chill and cool no that's not it it's

1891
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:29,199
because you guys are doing good work we

1892
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:31,440
could be bffs okay

1893
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:33,679
next thing is i was thinking of mr

1894
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:35,920
holland's opus i don't know if anyone

1895
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:37,840
else is familiar with that movie there's

1896
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:39,600
this experience where he wants to

1897
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:43,600
communicate music to his son and he uses

1898
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:46,960
a light show and he uses vibration

1899
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:48,960
and i think people forget

1900
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:51,280
vibration is a big part of this and i

1901
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:53,280
think there's a lot going on there and i

1902
01:10:56,310 --> 01:10:54,800
think you've touched on it and you're

1903
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:56,320
really capturing something really

1904
01:11:01,669 --> 01:10:59,040
important with this and i want to see

1905
01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:01,679
more awesome stuff good job and i think

1906
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:03,679
this movie was excellent and the fact

1907
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:05,840
that you highlighted the silence is what

1908
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:07,840
we need right now so thank you guys so

1909
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:08,640
much

1910
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:10,320
excellent work

1911
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:13,450
thank you very much thank you future bff

1912
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:15,120
[Laughter]

1913
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:17,440
she has no filter and no shame we love

1914
01:11:20,709 --> 01:11:18,320
her

1915
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:20,719
money nathan yeah well so while i can't

1916
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:22,480
be a part of the council of dave's

1917
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:25,199
unfortunately uh i again really admire

1918
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:26,960
everything that you guys have done and i

1919
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:28,159
have no doubt we're going to continue to

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see things that come out of the work

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that you've started here uh and the

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things it's not over yet

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exactly right the story is not finished

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and uh that is incredibly exciting and i

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think we're entering into a period where

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the kinds of things that you did are

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just going to be more easily accessible

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for other people to do and the evidence

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will continue to mount and will be

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irrefutable so kudos again to to kind of

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being part of that movement and uh

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helping to to get that going

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yeah oh it's it's really exciting i've

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i've got uh another invention i i can't

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talk about yet but it's built and tested

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uh it it's also different than like as

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you've seen with these other inventions

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and another one under development

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and i just want to keep

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creating new devices and just thinking

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outside the box

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fantastic

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i'll tell you what uh i hopefully uh for

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i have altman on twitter are you on

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twitter david mason

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uh no i'm only on facebook and uh i also

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have a youtube channel

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okay well we'll it will i'll send him

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you know he's got our information in

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case because if you want to come back on

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again and talk about whatever it is that

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you want to talk about

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i'm fascinated you're the first person i

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have heard talk about communicating with

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the phenomenon through light

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to convert sound

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intell into a sine wave of light into a

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a wave form let me call it of light that

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they can receive and particularly the

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the particular animal that you chose and

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why you chose it

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is even the entire thing is just

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absolutely fascinating so i both of you

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please feel free to come back on this

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forum and join us to talk about whatever

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you're doing we will welcome you

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uh and also i want to say uh mason your

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mustache highly underrated nobody's

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mentioned that yet

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yeah that's outstanding

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i i accidentally yeah one time i shaved

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it by accident and uh you know i i was

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shaving and i hit one side and then i

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thought i'll shave the other side then i

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had the eight off look so i took the

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whole thing off

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and then i was talking to people like

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this

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uh you know so we

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we begin we begin talking with david's

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hair and we end with david's hair

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yeah so now you understand cab now you

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understand cab altman this is what it's

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about man we go from the ridiculous to

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the sublime i mean it's a it's a sign if

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you notice this is alternating current

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comedy serious comedy series cal shatner

1988
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about us yeah

1989
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deb is suggesting that i send you uh my

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skin care formula which can also be used

1991
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as a beard bomb or in your case a

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charles bronson-esque mustache bomb so

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uh if if you want some of that let me

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know uh nathan is actually on the his my

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new label is coming out with his face on

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the can so you will recognize this face

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when you receive dj uh bespoke skincare

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uh

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i think you'll have to grow the i have

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to grow the beard out a bit more there

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you go there you go

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when i when i did that i did have people

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saying that i look like uh kenny loggins

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oh yeah

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[Laughter]

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you should play that song danny song

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from loggins and messina i love it

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get close to the danger zone there yeah

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[Laughter]

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this is dj

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if you expand your product line can we

2012
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have an anywho product

2013
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you know what deb for you yes i will i

2014
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i'm willing to toy around with my

2015
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ingredients and create something that

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you would endorse with your label on

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there the answer is yes okay

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plush yeah i'm so blessed to have four

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amazing co-hosts on this thing as you

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can tell

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david almond and david mason and uh it

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was an honor to have both of you and

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like i said the forum's open when you

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want to come back and have some fun

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while we're talking about these serious

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issues that you guys are spending a lot

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of your emotions your time your money

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and your intellect in and uh on behalf

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of uh stephanie uh kevin debs money

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nathan and myself uh this is calling all

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beings saying

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peace out one love

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and we'll see you down the road we're

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always wondering what's up around the

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bend